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Loony Lies about 9-11
by Mirsky Wednesday, Apr. 05, 2006 at 1:13 PM


Truth And The Search For It
By: Stuart W. Mirsky

In September 2003, roughly two years after the attacks visited on us on September 11, 2001, the New York Sun ran a story about Riverside Church in Morningside Heights. The church, a renowned uptown liberal bastion, was hosting an "alternative symposium," a gathering described as being for those "who doubt al Qaedaís role in the attacks of two years ago."

Scheduled speakers included Cynthia McKinney, a former (and, as it turned out, future) Georgia congresswoman who had said on California radio that President Bush really knew about the attacks before they happened. A "documentary filmmaker," who planned to participate in the church-sponsored event, was also quoted by the paper expressing his doubts concerning who was really behind the attacks and regarding the authenticity of the November 2001 video tape which showed Osama bin Laden at a dinner party in Taliban-run Afghanistan gloating over their results.

According to the Sun, the filmmaker claimed that the person on the video "doesnít look like bin Laden." Church spokesman Tinoa Rodgers offered similar sentiments, saying, "I donít know if anyone knows who is behind the attacks on September 11. There are a lot of theories going around and everybody draws their own conclusions," and adding, "I donít know what al Qaeda is, itís a name they throw around . . ."

This kind of thinking has persisted in various quarters to this day as people on the Left deride the Bush administrationís efforts to deal with the aftermath of 9/11. But suddenly we have Zacarias Moussaoui testifying in open court that he was both a member of al Qaeda and a participant in the 9/11 plot, intending to pilot a fifth plane, along with convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid and unnamed others, into the White House. He was only prevented from following through on his plans because he was picked up by authorities while trying to enter this country.

So what happens now to all the conspiracists and Bush haters on the Left, those who have made a career of denying the culpability of bin Laden and his henchmen? What do such people Ė who have gone into a myriad of verbal contortions "explaining" how the attacks of 9/11 were really engineered by Republicans in the White House or by Israeli operatives Ė have to say for themselves? How will they square their "theories" and the arguments they underpin with the facts as presented by Moussaoui in his recent court testimony?

Are we about to read their public retractions in The New York Times? Are the media going to remind us of the past claims made by these folks and go back to interview them again to document their recantations? Donít hold your breath.

Of course, anything can be "explained" away and I can already imagine the claims weíll soon be hearing Ė that Moussaoui was secretly tortured by American security forces to get him to make his statements or that he was brainwashed or just off his rocker. Thereís always a wide range of possibilities one can invoke to explain away the obvious and the deniers of the events of 9/11 can certainly be expected to come up with plenty of good stories (just as Holocaust deniers routinely do), stories that will do the necessary job of squaring the circles of their pet conspiracy theories. But at some point rational people Ė and Iíll grant not everyone is Ė have to stop and ask themselves whatís really going on.

As long as thereís absence of direct evidence, as there is in this case (because none of us actually saw bin Laden give the direct order or witnessed the hijackers as they salaamed in obeisance and moved into operational mode), there will always be room for doubt. But is it serious doubt? All sorts of yarns can be spun to fill in the holes that the absence of direct evidence leaves. But in the end most of us will agree that we live in a world where facts will win out. And the facts in this case look mighty clear at this point thanks to Moussaouiís desire to ascend to an Islamic martyrís heaven.

So, shall we wait for the inevitable recantation and acknowledgement by the deniers that yes, the terrorists from al Qaeda really did what they have always said they did? Not bloody likely. Instead, expect the Leftís apologists to continue spinning their gossamer-like web of conspiracy theories as they bang relentlessly away at the American response to the unprovoked attacks visited on us by Osama bin Laden and his cronies in 2001.

And the American media will continue not holding them accountable, following a misguided ideal of equal time for all ideas, no matter how asinine and, perhaps indulging in their own demonstrated preference for anyone but the Republican George W. Bush in the White House. This seems to be all we can expect in the world of political discourse these days.

But it does great harm to the notion of truth. And to the search for it.

Stuart W. Mirsky is a novelist, essayist and author of two books, "The King of Vinlandís Saga," a historical novel about the Norse in North America in the eleventh century, and "Irregularities," a compilation of political and social commentary.

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More bullshit
by It's obvious Thursday, Apr. 06, 2006 at 10:44 PM

Even Louis Freeh, former head of the FBI, admitted in a San Francisco news conference that the US government HAS NO EVIDENCE AGAINST AL QEADA.

That's right, "professor" shit-for-brains, NO EVIDENCE.

Put up, or shut up, asshole. Where's your evidence?

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by yesterday's news Monday, Apr. 10, 2006 at 11:52 PM

Blah, blah, blah. Then who took down the towers? Let's hear some wacked out conspiracy on who "really" knocked down the Twin Towers.

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Since you asked...
by Captain Obvious Tuesday, Apr. 11, 2006 at 12:23 AM

Begin, as is done in homicide investigations, with inquiry into motive. What did Bin Laden have to gain by attacking the WTC? Not a damn thing. In fact, it was obvious that such a move would provoke retaliation against the Arab world, extinguish international goodwill towards Arabs and get Bin Laden hunted like a wild animal.

Who did stand to gain?

Right wing factions within the US government would have carte blanche to wage war not only on the middle east, but on our constitutional rights as well. 100% predictable.

Consider also that the date appears to have been chosen as a psy-op. 911 is a symbol for emergency deeply ingrained in the American mind. The selection of September 11 as an action date strongly suggests that the intent was to maximize the impact on the psyches of American citizens. Would Al-Queda think along these lines, or would this be something more likely conceived in one of our own covert ops units.

The PNAC had conjectured, well before the attack, that to move forward with the plans for conquest ("democratization") of the middle east, a "Pearl Harbor" event would be needed to win support from American citizens. This establishes the fact that Neocons within the administration considered an event like the WTC attack to be necessary in order to advance their agenda.

Israel stood to gain by stirring up hatred against Moslems and Arabs, advancing their own program of oppression of Palestinians and systematic seizures of Palestinian land. Credible reports of surveillance of the WTC by Mossad agents at the time of the attack lend weight to the theory that Israel was either involved in or at least aware of the plans for the attack.

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Bush's Reichstag Fire
by Eyeball Tuesday, Apr. 11, 2006 at 4:25 AM

From the PNAC document, Rebuilding America's Defenses-

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History buffs will recall that FDR did quite a bit to engineer the ORIGINAL Pearl Harbor attack in order to win popular support for US involvement in WWII.

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Captain Oblivious
by Huh?!? Tuesday, May. 09, 2006 at 2:55 AM

Tom Clancy would be proud, that is if he wrote while on acid.
Do you honestly think that OBL gives a rat's ass about his so-called fellow Arabs?
Were you one those who screamed & yelled every time that someone of the far right blamed Bill Clinton for anything that went wrong(real or imagined)? Well guess what? You're nothing more than the opposite side of the same screwed-up coin as those butheads.
In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, "what a maroon, what a cad, what a ta-ra-ra-goon-d-ay!"

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Tom Clancy on Acid
by Albert Hoffman Tuesday, May. 09, 2006 at 5:41 AM

Tom Clancy on acid would be a marked improvement over the straight Tom Clancy, I am sure.

Tom Clancy would also be proud to write about a psy-op which was as badly executed as the "9-11" scam and which still fooled all the reactionary fuckwits in this country.

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Albert Hoffman did the brown acid
by Huh?!? Wednesday, May. 10, 2006 at 2:05 AM

They saidNOT to do the brown acid. Your mom said you never did listen.

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You mean *this* no it wasn't?

Nothing posted in this thread was actually posted by me. This guy must think you really are idiots. But don't take it personally. You have plenty of company. There are people all over this planet who he must think are idiots.


But hey, what do you expect? That's the kind of people who attack Indymedia. They're evil, but not very bright. They're organized, though. They even brag about it:

Almost none of what has been written about me here is true, and most of what has been attributed to me lately, both here and elsewhere, was actually written by somebody else.

If any of you would like to discuss any of this privately, so you can be sure itís really me whoís talking, I can be reached at:

Iím going to leave this thread now. Iíve been here long enough to make my point. If you want to talk to me, donít do it here. Use email. Anything subsequent to this comment that you see in this thread with my name on it is bogus. So is almost all of what youíve already read, here and elsewhere, no matter how realistic it appears. Itís a generic smear campaign.


These things happen. C'est la guerre. Some people apparently think I'm important enough to be worth smearing. As long as they think so, I am. They imitate my style. Occasionally, they imitate my content, but not often. Usually they change the meaning by altering a word or two. Either way, itís bogus.

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and most of here:

except for this one:

which my editor at the Bay Guardian wrote as an April Foolís joke. I was not amused, but at least they were paying me to be not amused. The people who have been doing posting under my name lately arenít paying me, and Iím bored with this thread, so I quit.

Anything subsequent that gets posted to this thread in my name is bogus for sure. Anything you read with my name on it, that appears anywhere else but those three sites, may be bogus, so take it with a grain of salt. If you want to know for sure about a particular case, ask me by email. Include the URL.

Thank's in advance. Sorry for any inconvenience. Have a nice day.


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He calls himself "SmashTheLeft." This is his story:

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